Looking for Sloane help

published Jun 15, 2018 | | |
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Robert 18

This is probably a very basic deck. I currently only have about half of the cards and this deck is made with the cards I have. I'm not very experienced and this is probably my most consistent and 'competitive' deck. I haven't been very competitive in tournament play and I'd like to be better (but I've always had a ton of fun playing). If you could give me some suggestions I'd really appreciate it. If I don't have the cards suggested I can proxy them for now - thanks to Lapp, Campbell and Wirges for possible loaners at GenCon if the Kickstarter doesn't arrive! Also, not looking for dissertations here - and I've read a ton of the articles on this site - but if you could just give about 2 sentences worth of advice to be a good player, what would you say?

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Jun 15, 2018 Harlath

As requested (flattering to be asked!) swinging past with some thoughts.

I lean towards 2x Coachwhip!, 2x It's Not What You Know.... Being on different values with your "off value" cheatin' punishment helps slightly in lowball, plus variety can keep your opponent guessing.

I might be tempted to splash in 2x LeMat Revolver alongside the excellent Pinto, perhaps 2x each.

There are good starts that use 2x dudes with upkeep, but for Sloane I think an alternate starting posse could work better. Barton Everest, Allie Hensman, Jake Smiley, Jacqueline Isham and Clementine Lepp gets you 4 influence, costs only one more than your current starting posse but has two starting studs on defence (Barton and Jacqueline) and one lower upkeep (so your T1 ghost rock is the same, and your ahead every turn after that). Open to debate on whether to go with Clementine Lepp (sometimes useful for extra influence hiding in a Saloon, ideally with a Control Point from the home's action) or instead a higher value 3GR, 0 upkeep dude like Makaio Kaleo, Esq. or Antheia Pansofia. Having more dudes outside Shotgun range can be handy!

I played something similar at GenCon 2017, albeit using 2s as a Meta call against Calling The Cavalry: dtdb.co

Shotgun is expensive (but great!), so might be tempted to go 3x Shotgun, 1x Bowie Knife as it can make a great surprise and might even sometimes end up with Marion Seville.

Like the Faithful Hound inclusion, good meta against horse decks and Legendary Holster.

Grim Servant O' Death works really well when you're defending Town Square, as this deck does.

Don't be afraid to risk Cheatin' Five of a Kind until some stronger cheatin' punishment arrives in 2T2D, unless you suspect Bottom Dealin' or your opponent is well set up with Tommy Harden/Quickdraw Handgun. Even if Barton Everest dies to a Coachwhip! you'll inflict a big chunk of casualties, and It's Not What You Know... will only drop you down to rank 7, so you may tie anyway and can cheat again next round.

Minor tweak - I prefer The Orphanage to Mausoleum, but may come down to personal style. Similarly, I prefer Hunter Protections to Quarantine Tent, but personal style should play a role in a deck! :)

The Grey Man is good for defending Town Square, and Ambrose Douglas is cheap quasi influence so both are worth considering, but 7 already has lots of good options so hard to pick here!

Beyond the above (which should all be taken with a pinch of salt, lord knows I'm often wrong), looks good to me. :)

Jun 15, 2018 DoomDog

I'd think about swapping out some of the more expensive cards for some Out-of-Town economy like Pat's Perch and Jackson's Strike. A General Store might help too.

Jun 15, 2018 LPF

My suggestions would be to find a starting posse with 1 less upkeep and to consider either swapping out a value for 5, or make room for pearl handed revolvers. In terms of general strategy Sloane Core is all about controlling the middle of the board. I would recommend looking at cards that allow you to control the flow of the game without loosening your grip on town square.

Jun 15, 2018 caelreth

For your spare 4 dude, have you considered someone like The Brute for casualty soaking, or Black Owl as a repeatable Pinned Down.

Jun 16, 2018 Robert

Thanks so much! I am definitely going to add LeMat, Bowie Knife, the Orphanage. Also going to change up the starting five and test out the Brute and Black Owl. I will also look into the out of town and cheaper deeds. Question for LPF: Why value of 5 and which of the values 3, 4 or 7 do you think is inferior? I’m going to play around with the other suggestions first, but I’m curious ... I really appreciate all the comments!

Jun 16, 2018 Robert

Thanks so much! I am definitely going to add LeMat, Bowie Knife, the Orphanage. Also going to change up the starting five and test out the Brute and Black Owl. I will also look into the out of town and cheaper deeds. Question for LPF: Why value of 5 and which of the values 3, 4 or 7 do you think is inferior? I’m going to play around with the other suggestions first, but I’m curious ... I really appreciate all the comments!

Jun 16, 2018 LPF

No problem. 5 is probably the best Value for non-skill Sloane it has a lot of strong cards that really push Sloanes agenda. It just does most of the stuff that Sloane wants to do and covers the holes in the other values. Specifically it gives you 3 stud dudes, pearl handed revolver and pistol whip. Along with much better deeds than 4.

In terms of what value i would ditch it would be 4. 4 is too conditional for Sloane core. It can be a strong value out of different homes like desolation but the value requires too much work for too little payoff. Marion for example is a good dude but he needs bounty and something that turns him into a stud to be a powerhouse and 4 doesn't help him with either of those things.

I don't want to write a wall of text hahaha so im just gonna end it here. Hopefully this was at least somewhat helpful for you.

Jun 16, 2018 LPF

No problem. 5 is probably the best Value for non-skill Sloane it has a lot of strong cards that really push Sloanes agenda. It just does most of the stuff that Sloane wants to do and covers the holes in the other values. Specifically it gives you 3 stud dudes, pearl handed revolver and pistol whip. Along with much better deeds than 4.

In terms of what value i would ditch it would be 4. 4 is too conditional for Sloane core. It can be a strong value out of different homes like desolation but the value requires too much work for too little payoff. Marion for example is a good dude but he needs bounty and something that turns him into a stud to be a powerhouse and 4 doesn't help him with either of those things.

I don't want to write a wall of text hahaha so im just gonna end it here. Hopefully this was at least somewhat helpful for you.

Jun 16, 2018 Robert

Thank you, that is a lot to chew on. I really appreciate this. I am going to put together a 5 value set to interchange with the 4s when playing. Thanks!!

Jun 16, 2018 oortje

My 2 cents... Replace 2 Shotgun with 2 Bowie Knife. Replace 1 horse with Monte Bank or the LeMat Revolver. Your starting posse is ok, but it could be a little better. You could add jake smiley to replace marion, although he is better to gain control. So maybe replace him with Makaio Kaleo, Esq. instead. Also replace the Quarantine Tent with Hunter Protections I think that card awesome, although it fits better in Den of Thieves. Duplicate dudes seem unnessesary, the brute can be a solid alternative. Replace a grim servant with Pinned Down to counter stupid Steven Wiles reliant decks. A single The Stakes Just Rose always gets them off guard. All the above are just tiny tweaks and it is up to you to play them at the right time. Have fun!!

Jun 16, 2018 oortje

My 2 cents... Replace 2 Shotgun with 2 Bowie Knife. Replace 1 horse with Monte Bank or the LeMat Revolver. Your starting posse is ok, but it could be a little better. You could add jake smiley to replace marion, although he is better to gain control. So maybe replace him with Makaio Kaleo, Esq. instead. Also replace the Quarantine Tent with Hunter Protections I think that card awesome, although it fits better in Den of Thieves. Duplicate dudes seem unnessesary, the brute can be a solid alternative. Replace a grim servant with Pinned Down to counter stupid Steven Wiles reliant decks. A single The Stakes Just Rose always gets them off guard. All the above are just tiny tweaks and it is up to you to play them at the right time. Have fun!!

Jul 13, 2018 Robert

Made some changes and the deck is better. I know I could use proxies, but I still don't have all the cards yet. I would like to take out the 4s and try 5s. Can you help me with what 5s work well in this deck. I don't the deck in front of me, but last night I played and it was ok. I know I used Pistol Whip and Pearl Handed Revolver, but it seems like there's something better. Thanks!

Jul 13, 2018 Robert

Well, to clarify - I like Pistol Whip, but I think 4 Pearl Handed may have been too many. Or maybe not, only played 2 games so far.

Jul 13, 2018 Harlath

Delighted to help as ever! You can keep the odd Coachwhip! in to keep folk honest while dropping some of the other 4s.

Pistol Whip is great, particularly in Sloane Town Square decks - you can send out the opposing best shooter, or sometimes a bullet catcher so they're losing dudes with proper influence.

I'd suggest a mix: 1-2 Pearl-Handled Revolver and then 2-3 Doomsday Supply on 5H. If you need a stud you can grab on with Doomsday Supply, otherwise fetch shotguns for extra bullets and acing low value opposing dudes, or LeMat Revolver for back-up cheatin punishment. When you have Doomsday Supply on hour home and shotguns in your discard pile, it is hard for your opponent to put low value dudes in to shoouts. If you're not sold on Pistol Whip, why not go with 2-3 of that and 1-2 Hiding in the Shadows to protect Barton Everest? Maybe 3x Shotgun on 3, 1x Bowie Knife as the former is expensive.

5 has solid deeds - Charlie's Place, Shane & Graves Security and Pearly's Palace.

Reasonable dudes too: a copy or two of Pancho Castillo gives you some relatively cheap late game muscle at the copy of high upkeep, maybe rounded out with "Mahogany" Jackson as a back-up stud?

Jul 13, 2018 Harlath

Missed the clarification post while typing! Agree 4x Pearl-Handled Revolver is trumped by the flexibility of mixing it with Doomsday Supply, which gets you the extra stud when you need it but can also fetch you other goods if you need them instead. :)

Jul 13, 2018 Robert

Awesome, thanks! I did add Pancho and those 3 deeds you mentioned so that’s good. I missed Mahogany and love Hiding in the Shadows - especially because Barton was sent home booted 3 times last game! Can’t wait to make the changes and give it a go, thanks!